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House Hansard - 77

44th Parl. 1st Sess.
May 30, 2022 11:00AM
Context: House Hansard - 77 - May/30/22
Mr. Mel Arnold (North Okanagan—Shuswap, CPC)
  • May/30/22 11:30:18 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, who owns Canada's fisheries resources?
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Hon. Joyce Murray (Minister of Fisheries, Oceans and the Canadian Coast Guard, Lib.)
  • May/30/22 11:30:32 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, they are a public good. They are a public property resource.
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Mr. Mel Arnold
  • May/30/22 11:30:39 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, according to the Constitution, who is ultimately responsible for managing Canada's fisheries resources?
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Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/30/22 11:30:49 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, it is the Department of Fisheries and Oceans and the minister who signs off. I am responsible.
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Mr. Mel Arnold
  • May/30/22 11:31:01 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, according to section 91 of the Constitution Act, 1867, it gives the exclusive legislative authority to the Parliament of Canada in all matters pertaining to fisheries. Considering that the common resources of Canada's fisheries belong to Canadians, who does the minister think should be the beneficiary of Canada's fisheries resources?
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Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/30/22 11:31:22 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, it is a great opportunity for me to point out just how rich and abundant we are in fisheries resources here in Canada, with 90% of our fisheries in healthy shape, and to the benefit of the harvesters, the communities and the whole—
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The Chair
  • May/30/22 11:31:42 p.m.
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The hon. member.
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Mr. Mel Arnold
  • May/30/22 11:31:44 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, how important is DFO's at-sea science to its assessment and management of fisheries resources?
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Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/30/22 11:31:52 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, all of our science programs are key to managing the fisheries.
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Mr. Mel Arnold
  • May/30/22 11:32:02 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, the minister previously stated that she is proud of her government's delivery of Coast Guard vessels, so I would like to ask her about the new offshore fisheries science vessels the Sir John Franklin, Jacques Cartier and John Cabot. These vessels have been plagued with corrosion, premature wear, mislabelling and even a stop-sail order from Transport Canada since entering service between 2019 and 2021. How much at-sea science and assessment capacity has DFO lost because of the deficient boats delivered by the Liberal government to the Coast Guard?
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Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/30/22 11:32:43 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, I want to remind the member of the decade of darkness that ended in 2015 when our government actually committed to replacing the fleet. It is the case that new ships often have challenges that need to be worked out, and that is exactly what we are doing.
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Mr. Mel Arnold
  • May/30/22 11:33:09 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, it was the Canadian shipbuilding strategy established by the previous Conservative government that started the delivery of these vessels. The delivery has been under the minister's government and you are taking credit for a shipbuilding strategy. How does DFO manage fisheries when at-sea science data is absent?
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The Chair
  • May/30/22 11:33:27 p.m.
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I want to remind members to ask their questions through the Chair.
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Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/30/22 11:33:33 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, it is with the best data we can accumulate, and often it is from fish harvesters.
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Mr. Mel Arnold
  • May/30/22 11:33:44 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, is the minister confident the Franklin, Cartier and Cabot vessels delivered by her government are seaworthy and safe workplaces for the Coast Guard and DFO personnel aboard?
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Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/30/22 11:33:55 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, they will not be out on the sea if they are not seaworthy.
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Mr. Mel Arnold
  • May/30/22 11:34:02 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, has the minister instructed the commissioner of the Canadian Coast Guard to ensure the vessels delivered by the Liberal government are not sent to sea unless they are proved to be safe for all aboard?
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Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/30/22 11:34:18 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, the ships that go to sea have gone through inspections and are safe to sail. The reality is that new ships sometimes have problems that do not emerge until they are out on the water.
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Mr. Mel Arnold
  • May/30/22 11:34:36 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, earlier the minister stated that the government is developing a responsible plan for those affected by the Discovery Islands decision, because those people deserve no less. Some British Columbians have already lost their jobs to the Discovery Islands decision, and this minister keeps telling them to just go on EI. Why does the minister believe that some Canadians deserve no less than a responsible transition plan, but others should go on EI?
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Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/30/22 11:35:07 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, the licences that were not renewed in the Discovery Islands were before my time as minister. I have the responsibility to develop a responsible plan for transitioning away from open net-pen aquaculture.
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