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House Hansard - 77

44th Parl. 1st Sess.
May 30, 2022 11:00AM
Context: House Hansard - 77 - May/31/22
Mr. Gord Johns
  • May/31/22 12:06:07 a.m.
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Mr. Chair, does the minister intend to include owner-operators in the blue economy strategy?
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Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/31/22 12:06:14 a.m.
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Mr. Chair, it will be a very comprehensive strategy and I would be very surprised if it were not included.
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Mr. Gord Johns
  • May/31/22 12:06:23 a.m.
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Mr. Chair, that is not a commitment. I am hoping the minister can commit to that. In terms of reconciliation, how long does the department intend to exclusively continue using the fishery to satisfy treaty rights?
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Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/31/22 12:06:37 a.m.
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Mr. Chair, I missed some of the words the member said.
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Mr. Gord Johns
  • May/31/22 12:06:42 a.m.
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Mr. Chair, how long does the department intend to exclusively continue to use the fisheries to satisfy treaty rights? I have spoken to the minister repeatedly, asking her to ask the minister of CIRNAC to supply funds for reconciliation so that reconciliation does not fall on the backs of a small group of fishers and it is shared by all Canadians. Maybe she can speak to that. We have talked about it in relation to the west coast crab fishers. Maybe she can talk about whether she has had this conversation with the minister of CIRNAC.
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Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/31/22 12:07:13 a.m.
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Mr. Chair, we do get dollars for reconciliation. We have a large pot of money in these estimates that is for purchasing the boats, the gear and the licences for our “willing buyer, willing seller” policy.
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Mr. Gord Johns
  • May/31/22 12:07:37 a.m.
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Mr. Chair, we have not seen the numbers in the budget dedicated and committed to that, but we are encouraged to hear that, especially when we are asking the minister to get to the table immediately with the crab fishers I mentioned. Does the department fully understand the social and economic considerations for all parties when access is being sought?
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Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/31/22 12:07:58 a.m.
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Mr. Chair, that is our process, consulting with anyone affected so we can understand all of the perspectives when there is an allocation being done.
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Mr. Gord Johns
  • May/31/22 12:08:16 a.m.
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Mr. Chair, does the department intend to continue to expropriate access to areas where there are no expressions of interest through “willing buyer, willing seller”?
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Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/31/22 12:08:25 a.m.
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Mr. Chair, when there are court-ordered rulings providing access to a party that does not already have access, it can be a challenge to acquire it, and we—
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The Chair
  • May/31/22 12:08:40 a.m.
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The hon. member.
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Mr. Gord Johns
  • May/31/22 12:08:42 a.m.
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Mr. Chair, has the department worked with indigenous stakeholders to see if there are any other means by which to satisfy the right?
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Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/31/22 12:08:51 a.m.
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Mr. Chair, “willing buyer, willing seller” is our approach and we do have funds to put that into effect.
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Mr. Gord Johns
  • May/31/22 12:08:59 a.m.
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Mr. Chair, when does the department intend to advise non-indigenous stakeholders of the amount of access being sought in the latest round of negotiations?
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Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/31/22 12:09:09 a.m.
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Mr. Chair, I am not clear which negotiations the member is referring to.
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Mr. Gord Johns
  • May/31/22 12:09:15 a.m.
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Mr. Chair, I mean all negotiations. In terms of corporate foreign ownership, I have been here a lot talking about sharing risks and benefits, and the report from FOPO, which we are still waiting for action from the government on. Does the minister believe that our harvesters and coastal communities should be the primary beneficiaries of Canadian fisheries?
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Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/31/22 12:09:38 a.m.
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Mr. Chair, with respect to the fisheries and oceans report, we have a study of the ownership so that we actually know what the landscape is on the west coast. This benefits the fisheries, the harvesters, their communities and the broader economy. This is a public good resource and fishers have access to it through licences and permits.
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Mr. Gord Johns
  • May/31/22 12:10:09 a.m.
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Mr. Chair, I think it is clear in the report that they do not want any more transfers of foreign ownership and they want to know who the beneficial owners are. Does the minister agree that we should have limits on corporate foreign ownership of our fisheries?
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Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/31/22 12:10:21 a.m.
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Mr. Chair, I will not be prejudging the outcome of our work to identify what the state of the ownership is on the west coast at present.
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Mr. Gord Johns
  • May/31/22 12:10:33 a.m.
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Mr. Chair, in the confidence and supply agreement with the NDP, it was outlined that beneficial ownership would be a key priority. Will that apply to fisheries and oceans?
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