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House Hansard - 201

44th Parl. 1st Sess.
May 29, 2023 11:00AM
Context: House Hansard - 201 - May/29/23
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  • May/29/23 7:07:08 p.m.
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The House will now resolve itself into committee of the whole to study all votes under Department of Finance in the main estimates for the fiscal year ending March 31, 2024. Today's debate is a general one on all votes under the Department of Finance. The first round will begin with the official opposition, followed by the government, the Bloc Québécois and the New Democratic Party. After that, we will follow the usual proportional rotation. Periods of 15 minutes at a time will be allocated to each MP. Speaking time may be used for both debate and questions. If MPs wish to use this time to make a speech, it must not exceed 10 minutes, in order to leave at least five minutes for questions to the minister. When a member is given the floor, he or she must indicate to the Chair how the 15-minute period will be used. In other words, the member will need to indicate which portion will be used for a speech and which portion will be devoted to questions and answers. In addition, pursuant to the order adopted on Thursday, May 18, members who wish to share their time with another member or members will need to indicate this to the Chair, and the Chair will not receive any quorum calls, dilatory motions or requests for unanimous consent. When the time is used for questions and comments, the minister's response should roughly correspond to the time taken to ask the question, since this time will be counted in the time allotted to the MP. Pursuant to order made Thursday, May 8, the time provided for the debate tonight may be extended beyond four hours, as needed, to include a minimum of 16 periods of 15 minutes each. I also wish to indicate that in committee of the whole, comments should be addressed to the Chair. I ask for everyone's co-operation in upholding all established standards of decorum, parliamentary language and behaviour. We will now begin tonight's debate. The hon. leader of the official opposition.
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Hon. Pierre Poilievre (Leader of the Opposition, CPC)
  • May/29/23 7:09:38 p.m.
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Madam Chair, the government is introducing a carbon tax on heat, gas and groceries. Will the government also apply the HST and GST on the tax?
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Hon. Chrystia Freeland (Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Finance, Lib.)
  • May/29/23 7:09:50 p.m.
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Madam Chair, I am glad to hear the Leader of the Opposition talk about a price on carbon, because that is a key element of our government's efforts to fight climate change—
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The Deputy Chair
  • May/29/23 7:09:59 p.m.
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The hon. leader of the official opposition.
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Hon. Pierre Poilievre
  • May/29/23 7:10:01 p.m.
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Madam Chair, will the government charge HST on the carbon tax, yes or no?
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Hon. Chrystia Freeland
  • May/29/23 7:10:09 p.m.
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Madam Chair, the ordinary taxes will be levied in the ordinary fashion, but I do want to—
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The Deputy Chair
  • May/29/23 7:10:15 p.m.
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The hon. leader of the official opposition.
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Hon. Pierre Poilievre
  • May/29/23 7:10:17 p.m.
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Madam Chair, does that include charging HST on the carbon tax, a tax on a tax, yes or no?
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Hon. Chrystia Freeland
  • May/29/23 7:10:25 p.m.
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Madam Chair, the point is this: Does the member have a plan to fight climate change or does he not?
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Hon. Pierre Poilievre
  • May/29/23 7:10:32 p.m.
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Madam Chair, the point is, does the government plan to tax the tax? Will the HST apply to the carbon tax, yes or no?
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Hon. Chrystia Freeland
  • May/29/23 7:10:43 p.m.
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Madam Chair, the point is that the Conservatives want to behave as if Canada can be an ostrich putting its head in the sand.
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Hon. Pierre Poilievre
  • May/29/23 7:10:54 p.m.
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Madam Chair, the point is that Canadians cannot afford to pay any more. Will she charge the HST on the carbon tax, yes or no?
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Hon. Chrystia Freeland
  • May/29/23 7:11:02 p.m.
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Madam Chair, what Canadians cannot afford is an official opposition that denies the fact that climate change is real and denies the—
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The Deputy Chair
  • May/29/23 7:11:09 p.m.
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The hon. leader of the official opposition.
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Hon. Pierre Poilievre
  • May/29/23 7:11:12 p.m.
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Madam Chair, that is false. We will assume that she intends to tax the tax. That means that Canadians will pay once with the carbon tax and then twice for the tax on the tax. What will be the full cost of the carbon tax per litre be once the tax, and the tax on the tax, are fully implemented? How much will it be?
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Hon. Chrystia Freeland
  • May/29/23 7:11:36 p.m.
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Madam Chair, the leader of the official opposition just said that it was false that he does not have a climate plan. Does that mean he is sticking with the previous Conservative leader's climate plan? That was what he was elected on.
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Hon. Pierre Poilievre
  • May/29/23 7:11:53 p.m.
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Madam Chair, the question was this: How much will it be per litre once the carbon tax is fully implemented? How much?
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Hon. Chrystia Freeland
  • May/29/23 7:12:02 p.m.
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Madam Chair, the point is that, in the 21st century, the world is building a clean economy. The Conservatives are in denial about that. That is a disservice to all—
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The Deputy Chair
  • May/29/23 7:12:11 p.m.
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The hon. leader of the official opposition.
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Hon. Pierre Poilievre
  • May/29/23 7:12:12 p.m.
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Madam Chair, what was Canada's ranking in the climate performance index, out of 63 countries?
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