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44th Parl. 1st Sess.
May 29, 2023 11:00AM
  • May/29/23 7:13:15 p.m.
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Madam Chair, I would like the Conservatives to really look themselves in the mirror and ask if it is credible, in the 21st century, to not have a climate plan, because that is the reality of this opposition. It is a disservice to all Canadians.
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  • May/29/23 7:13:31 p.m.
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Madam Chair, she has a tax plan and she cannot even tell us how much it will cost. We know it will be 41¢ a litre for the first carbon tax. How much will it cost the average family in higher heat, gas and grocery bills? How much?
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  • May/29/23 7:13:52 p.m.
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Madam Chair, as the leader of the official opposition should know, our price on pollution goes right back into the pockets of every family in Canada. It goes back into the pockets of families here in Ontario, Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba and across the country.
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  • May/29/23 7:14:09 p.m.
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Madam Chair, the answer, according to the Parliamentary Budget Officer, is that in P.E.I., it will be $1,500. In Ontario, it will be $1,800, and in Alberta, it will be $2,700. That is just the first carbon tax. We just learned that the government plans to implement a second carbon tax, a so-called clean fuel standard. How much will that tax add to the cost of a litre of gasoline when fully implemented? How much?
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  • May/29/23 7:14:38 p.m.
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Madam Chair, I would like to remind the Conservative leader of what he and everyone sitting beside him said when they asked Canadians for their vote in the last election: “We will assess progress [so] carbon prices [can be] on a path to $170/tonne”. Are they disavowing that?
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  • May/29/23 7:14:58 p.m.
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Madam Chair, I never supported such a thing so, of course, I do not need to disavow it. The question was this: The minister plans a second carbon tax. How much will that tax add to the price of a litre of gas? How much?
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  • May/29/23 7:15:15 p.m.
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Madam Chair, I was just reading from the 2021 Conservative platform. The Leader of the Opposition ran as an MP on that platform. He now says he did not support it. Was he misleading Canadians when he asked for their vote?
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  • May/29/23 7:15:32 p.m.
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Madam Chair, no. The answer is that the second carbon tax will cost another $1,000 in Alberta, another $611 in Manitoba and another $850 in Newfoundland and Labrador. Where does the minister expect the people of those provinces to get that money?
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  • May/29/23 7:15:57 p.m.
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Madam Chair, let us talk about something else that every single Conservative, including the Conservative leader, promised to Canadians when they asked for their vote. This is a sacred trust we enter into in election campaigns. The Conservative platform said, “We'll finalize and improve”— Some hon. members: Oh, oh!
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  • May/29/23 7:16:22 p.m.
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Madam Chair, on a point of order, when the member opposite is speaking, it is very quiet, and I would expect the same courtesy when the Minister of Finance is speaking. Some hon. members: Oh, oh!
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  • May/29/23 7:16:33 p.m.
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I understand some people who are laughing, but I do not think it is a laughing matter when we demand respect in the House. No matter who is speaking, everyone deserves respect in the House, so I would ask members, if they wish to have conversations or are not in agreement with what is happening, that they take it out of the chamber. The hon. minister.
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  • May/29/23 7:16:59 p.m.
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Madam Chair, I think the Conservatives do not want Canadians to be reminded of what they promised in the last election, but I am going to keep reminding Canadians.
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  • May/29/23 7:17:09 p.m.
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Madam Chair, the minister has carbon tax 1 and carbon tax 2. She cannot tell anybody what they cost. Either she does not know or she does not want Canadians to know. Can you tell us what will be the total cost to an average family, net of rebates, of carbon tax 1 plus carbon tax 2? How much?
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  • May/29/23 7:17:29 p.m.
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The hon. leader of the official opposition has to address all questions and comments through the Chair and not directly to the minister. The hon. minister.
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  • May/29/23 7:17:37 p.m.
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Madam Chair, I would like to refresh the Conservative leader's memory because, in the last campaign, his party promised to “improve the Clean Fuel Regulations to reduce carbon emissions from every litre of gasoline (and other liquid fuels) we burn”. Was that something the Conservative leader supported when he was knocking on doors and saying that that was his plan?
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  • May/29/23 7:18:01 p.m.
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Madam Chair, the question was this: How much is the total cost per family of the two combined carbon taxes plus the tax on the tax and the tax. How much? That is the easy question. She has an official there. Perhaps he could hand her a briefing note. How much is it?
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  • May/29/23 7:18:17 p.m.
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Madam Chair, the point is that a plan beats no plan, and these Conservatives were either misleading Canadians in the last election, which it seems they were, or they simply do not have a climate plan today.
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  • May/29/23 7:18:35 p.m.
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Madam Chair, if the minister does not believe me, maybe she will believe the Liberal premier of Newfoundland and Labrador who said: As the July 1 implementation date of the federal...Regulations approaches, Atlantic Premiers remain concerned about the detrimental and disproportionate impact they will have on Atlantic Canadians. Together with the carbon tax increase also scheduled for July 1, an increase in the cost of gasoline and diesel is anticipated. These increases will further add to inflationary pressures that will increase the costs of other goods imported to the region. That is not me. That is the Liberal premier of Newfoundland and Labrador. Is he wrong?
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  • May/29/23 7:19:13 p.m.
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Madam Chair, the people of Newfoundland and Labrador will be getting back nearly $1,000 through our price on pollution, which puts the money back into the pockets of Canadians.
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  • May/29/23 7:19:28 p.m.
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Madam Chair, that is interesting. Now the minister is finally talking numbers. It turns out that Newfoundland and Labradorians will be paying $2,166 more in carbon taxes and taxes on the tax than they get back in any of these phony rebates. If these numbers are not right, what are the correct numbers?
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