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House Hansard - 201

44th Parl. 1st Sess.
May 29, 2023 11:00AM
Context: House Hansard - 201 - May/29/23
Hon. Chrystia Freeland
  • May/29/23 9:08:00 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, on the contrary, I am very proud to stand behind our government's record. Canada endured the deepest economic trauma since the Great Depression, and the recovery has been remarkably strong, the strongest in the G7, and incredibly strong compared to the tepid, painful, lacklustre climb out of 2008.
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Mr. Adam Chambers
  • May/29/23 9:08:25 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, the minister is obviously not very proud of the government's record. She cannot even answer some very simple questions about how much the government expects to pay on the debt that it issued. Perhaps the government was also misled by the Bank of Canada, which promised Canadians that rates would stay low. The minister says that the government leads the G7 in growth. We are behind a bunch of countries in GDP per capita. The Liberals ran an entire election campaign saying that Harper had low growth. This is what we have here. In GDP per capita, we are behind many countries.
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Hon. Chrystia Freeland
  • May/29/23 9:09:01 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, the Harper government did have low growth. It had a remarkably lacklustre recovery from the 2008 recession. It took four months longer for GDP to recover from the 2008 recession than our recovery took from the COVID recession. It took 27 months for jobs to recover from the 2008 recession, but only 21 months after the much deeper COVID recession, and it was a shocking 110 months for the unemployment rate to—
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The Chair
  • May/29/23 9:09:35 p.m.
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The hon. member for Coast of Bays—Central—Notre Dame.
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Mr. Clifford Small (Coast of Bays—Central—Notre Dame, CPC)
  • May/29/23 9:09:37 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, I thank the Minister of Finance for making an appearance here this evening. The four Atlantic premiers, including Premier Furey, a close personal friend of the Prime Minister, wrote a letter to the environment minister in the last couple of days. I would ask the minister if she knows what that letter was addressing.
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Hon. Chrystia Freeland (Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Finance, Lib.)
  • May/29/23 9:10:04 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, I would like to thank the member opposite for the exchange we had in question period about climate action. He, perhaps inadvertently, revealed something very important about the Conservatives. He suggested that it is a guilt trip to believe that we need climate action. That says a lot about the Conservative Party's attitude toward climate—
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The Chair
  • May/29/23 9:10:34 p.m.
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The hon. member.
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Mr. Clifford Small
  • May/29/23 9:10:37 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, does the hon. minister know how much carbon tax 2 will cost Newfoundland families by 2030?
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Hon. Chrystia Freeland
  • May/29/23 9:10:48 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, of course there is no such thing, and mislabelling something, even doing it 1,000 times, does not make it true. However, what is the case—
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The Chair
  • May/29/23 9:11:02 p.m.
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The hon. member.
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Mr. Clifford Small
  • May/29/23 9:11:03 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, I am not sure if the minister knows, but the answer is $850 a year, and that is according to the PBO. I would ask the minister if she has faith in the PBO.
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Hon. Chrystia Freeland
  • May/29/23 9:11:21 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, I would like to ask the member opposite if he has faith in the party platform he himself ran on. That document states, “We will...progress [so]...carbon prices [can be] on a path to $170/tonne”. Was he telling the truth then or is he telling—
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The Chair
  • May/29/23 9:11:39 p.m.
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The hon. member.
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Mr. Clifford Small
  • May/29/23 9:11:40 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, if the minister went door to door, she would know exactly how I ran my campaign. She would have heard about the misery and disrespect for the people of Atlantic Canada I encountered. I would ask the minister if she agrees with her Liberal counterpart, Premier Furey, that a carbon tax is inflationary.
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Hon. Chrystia Freeland
  • May/29/23 9:12:04 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, what is disrespectful to the people of Newfoundland and Labrador and all Canadians is to pretend that we can act without a plan to fight climate change. Inaction is also a choice, and it is a choice that not only will destroy our beautiful planet, but will mean no jobs for Canadians in the future.
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Mr. Clifford Small
  • May/29/23 9:12:31 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, I will ask the minister this again. Does she agree with Premier Furey that a carbon tax is inflationary?
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Hon. Chrystia Freeland
  • May/29/23 9:12:44 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, let us talk about the clean fuel regulations, which the member opposite campaigned on in 2021—
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The Chair
  • May/29/23 9:12:59 p.m.
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The hon. member for Coast of Bays—Central—Notre Dame.
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Mr. Clifford Small
  • May/29/23 9:13:03 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, I take offence to the minister telling me how I ran my campaign, but I will ask her this again. Does the minister agree with Premier Furey that a carbon tax is inflationary?
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Hon. Chrystia Freeland
  • May/29/23 9:13:21 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, I do believe the member opposite campaigned as a Conservative, and I believe that means he campaigned on the Conservative climate platform. It seems that the Conservatives are totally disavowing that, but is that really fair to the people who elected them on a promise that they would actually have a climate—
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