44th Parl. 1st Sess.

June 20, 2023 10:00AM

Context: House Hansard - 217 - Jun/20/23

The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)

Jun/20/23 11:26:11 a.m.
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I am sure the hon. member was not referencing me when he was saying “you”. I would ask the member to address his questions and comments through the Chair by using the correct words. The hon. minister.

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Hon. Pablo Rodriguez

Jun/20/23 11:26:21 a.m.
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Re: Bill C-18

Madam. Speaker, I do listen to what is happening in the committee. It is very important for me, being the Minister of Canadian Heritage. I have a lot of respect for the work of the committee, and I have had the chance to go committee many times. However, there are many programs for local papers. As I said before, there is the tax credit on labour, local journalism initiatives, especially for small communities. There is the Canada periodical fund. We are open to work with the other parties to come up with other solutions. However, Bill C-18 is one of those solutions. It is there, it is ready, it has been studied in the House and in the Senate. It is time we move on.

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Mrs. Rachael Thomas (Lethbridge, CPC)

Jun/20/23 11:27:12 a.m.
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Re: Bill C-18

Madam Speaker, the minister has disingenuously stated that the bill is about helping local newspapers, when, in fact, the Parliamentary Budget Officer, who is a non-partisan figure of this place, has reported that with the bill, the tune of 75%, the funding would go toward CBC, Bell Media and Rogers. These are the three big broadcasters. I would ask the minister this. Does that sound like newspapers to him, because it sure does not to me? To the point from the hon. member who went before me, for our local newspapers in ridings like Lethbridge, where we have towns like Picture Butte, Coaldale or Coalhurst that are trying to make a go of it with one journalist, the bill would leave them out in the cold. There are hundreds, if not thousands, across the country that are in a similar boat. Does that sound like supporting local news to the minister?

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Hon. Pablo Rodriguez

Jun/20/23 11:27:55 a.m.
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Re: Bill C-18

Madam Speaker, that is a bit rich coming from a person who quotes the tech giants all the time. She has been using their speaking points from day one. We are there to support media in all communities. Also, if the member looks at the example of Australia, the system we are basing ourselves on— Mrs. Rachael Thomas: Why don't not answer the question? Just answer the question.

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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)

Jun/20/23 11:28:15 a.m.
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Order, please. I want to remind the hon. member for Lethbridge that she had an opportunity to ask a question. Whether she likes the response or not, she should not be heckling or trying to ask other questions. The hon. minister.

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Hon. Pablo Rodriguez

Jun/20/23 11:28:23 a.m.
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Re: Bill C-18

That was very impolite, Madam Speaker. Mrs. Rachael Thomas: Just answer my question.

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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)

Jun/20/23 11:28:28 a.m.
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If the hon. member for Lethbridge does not want to abide by the rules of the House, she can step into the lobby and air her views there. The hon. minister.

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Hon. Pablo Rodriguez

Jun/20/23 11:28:40 a.m.
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Re: Bill C-18

Madam Speaker, when we look at the example of Australia, which has a bill similar to ours— Mrs. Rachael Thomas: Which failed.

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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)

Jun/20/23 11:28:47 a.m.
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Again, the hon. member for Lethbridge is not respecting the rules of the House. If she continues, she will not be recognized for any questions or comments for the rest of the day. The hon. minister.

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Hon. Pablo Rodriguez

Jun/20/23 11:29:02 a.m.
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Re: Bill C-18

Madam Speaker, as I was saying, in Australia, looking at its results at the end of the day, when all the deals were concluded, proportionally small media got more money than any of the big media. That is a big example— Mrs. Rachael Thomas: Oh, that is such a lie.

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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)

Jun/20/23 11:29:15 a.m.
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The hon. member for Lethbridge will not be recognized for the rest of the day.

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Mr. Kevin Lamoureux

Jun/20/23 11:29:25 a.m.
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Re: Bill C-18

Madam Speaker, I rise on a point of order. Even in a heckle, the member for Lethbridge used a very unparliamentary word. I know you have already indicated that she would not be recognized, but I do believe she owes an apology for using the word “lie”.

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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)

Jun/20/23 11:29:41 a.m.
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I would ask the hon. member for Lethbridge to rise and apologize, please.

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Mrs. Rachael Thomas

Jun/20/23 11:29:54 a.m.
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Re: Bill C-18

Madam Speaker, I said that the minister lied.

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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)

Jun/20/23 11:29:54 a.m.
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I am asking the hon. member to apologize.

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Mrs. Rachael Thomas

Jun/20/23 11:30:03 a.m.
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Re: Bill C-18

Madam Speaker, I will apologize for using that word. He misinformed the House.

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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)

Jun/20/23 11:30:03 a.m.
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I would remind the hon. member that her apology was not quite what we were looking for. However, I do want to remind all members that there are rules of the House. Those rules include respecting the members who are speaking whether we like the answers or not. To challenge the Chair and not respect the rules of the Chair is not acceptable as well. I again want to reiterate that the hon. member will not be recognized for the rest of the day for questions and comments. It is my duty to interrupt the proceedings and put forthwith the question necessary to dispose of the motion now before the House. The question is on the motion. Shall I dispense? Some hon. members: No. [Chair read text of motion to House] The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes): If a member of a recognized party present in the House wishes that the motion be carried or carried on division or wishes to request a recorded division, I would invite them to rise and indicate it to the Chair.

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