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House Hansard - 333

44th Parl. 1st Sess.
June 17, 2024 11:00AM
Context: House Hansard - 333 - Jun/17/24
The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • Jun/17/24 10:54:01 p.m.
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The next question is on Motion No. 142. A vote on this motion also applies to Motions Nos. 143 to 145. If a member participating in person wishes that the motion be carried or carried on division, or if a member of a recognized party participating in person wishes to request a recorded division, I would invite them to rise and indicate it to the Chair.
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Mr. Eric Duncan
  • Jun/17/24 10:54:25 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I know both the mover and the seconder would want a recorded vote on their amendment.
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • Jun/17/24 10:54:33 p.m.
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The recorded division on the motion stands deferred.
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • Jun/17/24 10:54:40 p.m.
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The question is on Motion No. 146. A vote on this motion also applies to Motion No. 147. If a member participating in person wishes that the motion be carried or carried on division, or if a member of a recognized party participating in person wishes to request a recorded division, I would invite them to rise and indicate it to the Chair.
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Mr. Eric Duncan
  • Jun/17/24 10:55:04 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, since so many Canadians are engaged in following the budget and the upcoming vote, I would ask for a recorded vote on that amendment, please.
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • Jun/17/24 10:55:12 p.m.
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The recorded division on the motion stands deferred.
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • Jun/17/24 10:55:21 p.m.
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The next question is on Motion No. 148. A vote on this motion also applies to Motions Nos. 149 to 153. If a member participating in person wishes that the motion be carried or carried on division, or if a member of a recognized party participating in person wishes to request a recorded division, I would invite them to rise and indicate it to the Chair.
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Mr. Eric Duncan
  • Jun/17/24 10:55:41 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, after nine years, we believe we need some more common sense, and common sense would say that we need a recorded vote on that amendment.
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • Jun/17/24 10:55:54 p.m.
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The recorded division on the motion stands deferred.
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • Jun/17/24 10:56:00 p.m.
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The question is on Motion No. 154. A vote on this motion also applies to Motions Nos. 155 to 161. If a member participating in person wishes that the motion be carried or carried on division, or if a member of a recognized party participating in person wishes to request a recorded division, I would invite them to rise and indicate it to the Chair.
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Mr. Eric Duncan
  • Jun/17/24 10:56:18 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I want to assure you I am not doing this to try to beat the word count in the House of Commons of the member for Winnipeg North today, but I will request a recorded vote on that amendment as well.
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • Jun/17/24 10:56:29 p.m.
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The recorded division on the motion stands deferred.
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • Jun/17/24 10:56:41 p.m.
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Pursuant to Standing Order 45, the recorded divisions stand further deferred until Tuesday, June 18, at the expiry of the time provided for Oral Questions.
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Mr. Eric Duncan (Stormont—Dundas—South Glengarry, CPC)
  • Jun/17/24 10:57:01 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, the member for Winnipeg North gave his speech and his comments on the government's proposed legislation, Bill C-65. One thing he forgot to mention was probably the most well-known part of the bill he has just spoken about for several minutes, which is the Liberals' attempt to change the election date; we have affectionately called this the NDP-Liberal pension protection act. It was the Liberal-NDP agreement to change the election by a week for some reason that just happened to give class of 2019 members of Parliament their pensions if they were defeated in the next election. Thankfully, after relentless pressure from Conservatives, the NDP heard from many Canadians who thought that was an absolutely dreadful and shameful approach. I want to get the member on the record. Does he now agree that this was nothing but partisan politics in an attempt to try to save some of their pensions for their own gain? Will he now agree that it was a terrible idea and nothing but a fake premise to try to change the date of the election to benefit their pensions?
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Mr. Kevin Lamoureux (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons, Lib.)
  • Jun/17/24 10:58:08 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I understand the Conservative-Reform party members are a little weak in math. There are actually more than double the number of opposition members who would benefit from this than Liberal members. I can assure the member across the way that it had absolutely nothing to do with the legislation. It is unfortunate that he did not hear the comments from the minister directly. I would ask the member to reflect on the fact that it is a minority government, which means the will of the committee will ultimately prevail. As the minister himself indicated, we will support the committee.
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Ms. Leah Gazan (Winnipeg Centre, NDP)
  • Jun/17/24 10:58:59 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, one of the things I am really concerned about is foreign interference. We heard about it in the news. The leader of the Conservative Party refuses to get the security clearance he needs to participate. I think this is happening at a time when there are many things people are questioning around the safety of our elections. How does the member across the way feel about the Conservative leader's fear, as it seems to be fear, to get security clearance?
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Mr. Kevin Lamoureux
  • Jun/17/24 10:59:35 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I think that is a fair question. Why does the leader of the Conservative Party not want to get the security clearance to have the full, unredacted briefing? It is a legitimate question. I suspect that the leader of the Conservative Party would rather play political games than do justice to the issue at hand. I find that unfortunate. As one of my colleagues asked, what is the leader hiding? We know there are references, for example, to the Conservative leadership. I suspect that might be the leadership he ran in. Is there something that he is scared of? What is the reason? The leader has not provided any explanation other than he does not want to know.
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Ms. Lena Metlege Diab (Halifax West, Lib.)
  • Jun/17/24 11:00:42 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, the legislation amending the Canada Elections Act is an important piece of legislation. In fact, it is critical because it seeks to improve access to electoral participation, while also ensuring the continued integrity of our system. It has to go to committee to be studied further because it is essential to our democratic process. Can the member elaborate on that? Can he give us his reasoning and his opinion on that?
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Mr. Kevin Lamoureux
  • Jun/17/24 11:01:20 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, there are many aspects of the legislation that would ultimately be modernized. It deals, for example, with issues like cryptocurrency. Across the way, we have the king of cryptocurrency, the member for Carleton, who apparently knows the benefits of cryptocurrency. However, we need to ensure that we do not have foreign actors investing in cryptocurrency and donating to candidates or political entities during or outside of elections. I think that is a positive aspect of the legislation. It deals with misinformation and it enhances the opportunity for people to vote. It makes a whole lot of sense to get behind this legislation.
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Mr. Bob Zimmer (Prince George—Peace River—Northern Rockies, CPC)
  • Jun/17/24 11:02:13 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I think a lot of Canadians watching out are not sure what this bill actually refers to. I will quote an article quickly. It states, “Canada soon to be governed by the pension coalition in Ottawa.” It says this new law, Bill C-65, proposes to move the election date, meaning 80 MPs would get vested in their pension. Let us just call the government we have in Ottawa what it would be after this new law, Bill C-65, passes: the pension coalition. My question is to the NDP and Liberal members. Are they still the pension coalition; yes or no?
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