Hon. Bev Busson: Thank you, Senator Boniface. I understand the reasoning for the threshold that Bill S-7 seeks to create, but I am worried that implementing this new threshold will have a negative operational impact on the important work that our border officers and the United States pre-clearance officers do on a regular basis to protect our borders and, by association, all Canadians. As you mentioned in your speech, the border is unique, with its own privacy implications and thresholds that are generally lower than in most other places. But it worries me that this bill will create difficulties for border officers to search questionable personal digital devices, thus making it harder to find obscene materials and child pornography and, at the same time, easier for this unspeakable material to enter Canada. Can you assure me that the creation of this threshold will not negatively impact the operations and efficiency of our border officers?

Senator Boniface: Thank you for the question. From the briefings I’ve had with CBSA, they are working on the regulations already. They are very aware that the regulations and the legislation will best serve the officers and the community as they move forward in having them as closely aligned as possible. That was a question raised during the briefing by one of our colleagues, and he was reassured that is, in fact, their goal. As you know, and as you said, regulations tend to drag. I think they are very cognizant of that. I will reiterate that back to Canada Border Services Agency. I expect our colleagues on the committee to which this is referred will be looking for that level of reassurance as well.

Senator Wells: You mentioned that this is the regular policy of CBSA border officials, turning this into legislation. Ignorance of the law is no excuse, of course. I was stopped at the border a number of years ago. They asked for my phone and I gave them my phone. They asked for my password and I gave my password. I don’t know CBSA policy. Ignorance of policy is kind of an excuse and I think it would be challengeable.

Because the proposed law says they have to shut down network connectivity before they do a search, do you think it would be reasonable in the legislation for them to advise that the traveller has the right to shut down connectivity? Under policy, they have no obligation to tell the passenger anything.

Do you think it is reasonable under the legislation that they would have the obligation to do that — something like the Miranda law, where someone is given certain rights if they are under suspicion?