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House Hansard - 201

44th Parl. 1st Sess.
May 29, 2023 11:00AM
Context: House Hansard - 201 - May/29/23
Hon. Pierre Poilievre
  • May/29/23 7:12:12 p.m.
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Madam Chair, what was Canada's ranking in the climate performance index, out of 63 countries?
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Hon. Chrystia Freeland
  • May/29/23 7:12:22 p.m.
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Madam Chair, I will tell members some important rankings. TD judged our green economy plan—
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The Deputy Chair
  • May/29/23 7:12:31 p.m.
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The hon. leader of the official opposition.
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Hon. Pierre Poilievre
  • May/29/23 7:12:32 p.m.
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Madam Chair, what was Canada's ranking in the climate performance index? What was our ranking?
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Hon. Chrystia Freeland
  • May/29/23 7:12:42 p.m.
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Madam Chair, TD judged that our climate plan in the 2023 budget would put us at par with the United States and ahead of the rest of the world as a green economy investment destination.
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Hon. Pierre Poilievre
  • May/29/23 7:12:54 p.m.
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Madam Chair, it is funny that the United States does not have a carbon tax. It is even funnier that she thinks the bankers are happy. I am sure they are happy. They do not mind paying what turns out to be 41¢ a litre when this carbon tax is fully implemented. How much will that cap cost, net, for the average family?
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Hon. Chrystia Freeland
  • May/29/23 7:13:15 p.m.
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Madam Chair, I would like the Conservatives to really look themselves in the mirror and ask if it is credible, in the 21st century, to not have a climate plan, because that is the reality of this opposition. It is a disservice to all Canadians.
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Hon. Pierre Poilievre
  • May/29/23 7:13:31 p.m.
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Madam Chair, she has a tax plan and she cannot even tell us how much it will cost. We know it will be 41¢ a litre for the first carbon tax. How much will it cost the average family in higher heat, gas and grocery bills? How much?
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Hon. Chrystia Freeland
  • May/29/23 7:13:52 p.m.
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Madam Chair, as the leader of the official opposition should know, our price on pollution goes right back into the pockets of every family in Canada. It goes back into the pockets of families here in Ontario, Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba and across the country.
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Hon. Pierre Poilievre
  • May/29/23 7:14:09 p.m.
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Madam Chair, the answer, according to the Parliamentary Budget Officer, is that in P.E.I., it will be $1,500. In Ontario, it will be $1,800, and in Alberta, it will be $2,700. That is just the first carbon tax. We just learned that the government plans to implement a second carbon tax, a so-called clean fuel standard. How much will that tax add to the cost of a litre of gasoline when fully implemented? How much?
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Hon. Chrystia Freeland
  • May/29/23 7:14:38 p.m.
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Madam Chair, I would like to remind the Conservative leader of what he and everyone sitting beside him said when they asked Canadians for their vote in the last election: “We will assess progress [so] carbon prices [can be] on a path to $170/tonne”. Are they disavowing that?
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Hon. Pierre Poilievre
  • May/29/23 7:14:58 p.m.
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Madam Chair, I never supported such a thing so, of course, I do not need to disavow it. The question was this: The minister plans a second carbon tax. How much will that tax add to the price of a litre of gas? How much?
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Hon. Chrystia Freeland
  • May/29/23 7:15:15 p.m.
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Madam Chair, I was just reading from the 2021 Conservative platform. The Leader of the Opposition ran as an MP on that platform. He now says he did not support it. Was he misleading Canadians when he asked for their vote?
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Hon. Pierre Poilievre
  • May/29/23 7:15:32 p.m.
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Madam Chair, no. The answer is that the second carbon tax will cost another $1,000 in Alberta, another $611 in Manitoba and another $850 in Newfoundland and Labrador. Where does the minister expect the people of those provinces to get that money?
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Hon. Chrystia Freeland
  • May/29/23 7:15:57 p.m.
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Madam Chair, let us talk about something else that every single Conservative, including the Conservative leader, promised to Canadians when they asked for their vote. This is a sacred trust we enter into in election campaigns. The Conservative platform said, “We'll finalize and improve”— Some hon. members: Oh, oh!
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Mr. Kevin Lamoureux
  • May/29/23 7:16:22 p.m.
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Madam Chair, on a point of order, when the member opposite is speaking, it is very quiet, and I would expect the same courtesy when the Minister of Finance is speaking. Some hon. members: Oh, oh!
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The Deputy Chair
  • May/29/23 7:16:33 p.m.
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I understand some people who are laughing, but I do not think it is a laughing matter when we demand respect in the House. No matter who is speaking, everyone deserves respect in the House, so I would ask members, if they wish to have conversations or are not in agreement with what is happening, that they take it out of the chamber. The hon. minister.
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Hon. Chrystia Freeland
  • May/29/23 7:16:59 p.m.
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Madam Chair, I think the Conservatives do not want Canadians to be reminded of what they promised in the last election, but I am going to keep reminding Canadians.
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Hon. Pierre Poilievre
  • May/29/23 7:17:09 p.m.
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Madam Chair, the minister has carbon tax 1 and carbon tax 2. She cannot tell anybody what they cost. Either she does not know or she does not want Canadians to know. Can you tell us what will be the total cost to an average family, net of rebates, of carbon tax 1 plus carbon tax 2? How much?
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The Deputy Chair
  • May/29/23 7:17:29 p.m.
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The hon. leader of the official opposition has to address all questions and comments through the Chair and not directly to the minister. The hon. minister.
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