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House Hansard - 264

44th Parl. 1st Sess.
December 7, 2023 10:00AM
Context: House Hansard - 264 - Dec/7/23
Mr. Gord Johns (Courtenay—Alberni, NDP)
  • Dec/7/23 1:50:04 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, I rose earlier on a point of order to remind my colleague that indigenous people are not ours. My colleague went on to say that indigenous people are part of our history. They are not just part of our history. Indigenous people in my riding fight every day to get through the challenges they face because of government policies that have tried to destroy them. They say every day that they are still here. They fight every day to remind people and let each other know that they are still here. They are not just part of our history, they are still here and need to be a predominant part of the conversation moving forward. To the question from my good friend, the 2021 election price-on-carbon platform running Conservative, why did she run on a platform to put a price on carbon, but today is running so hard against it?
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Mrs. Karen Vecchio
  • Dec/7/23 1:51:05 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, 130 first nations in Ontario alone are suing the government because the carbon tax is not working. The member can split the words as much as he wants to. At the end of the day, indigenous peoples in Canada are not doing as well because we know the carbon tax impacts them. We know that it impacts the cost of heating their homes, the production of food and getting the food to first nations, especially in remote and rural areas. For anyone to ever question my support for first nations is laughable. I will continue to work with the incredible member for Winnipeg Centre when it comes to missing and murdered indigenous women and girls. Please, let us not be so petty.
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Mr. Dave Epp (Chatham-Kent—Leamington, CPC)
  • Dec/7/23 1:51:56 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, this morning, two of Canada's largest grocery retailer CEOs testified that the carbon tax applied to the farmer, the trucker, the food producer and themselves will get passed on to the consumer, contrary to one of the questions from a member across the way to my hon. colleague from Elgin—Middlesex—London, that the grocery retailers are putting the carbon tax in their pockets. It is being passed on to the consumer. Would my colleague agree?
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Mrs. Karen Vecchio
  • Dec/7/23 1:52:24 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, as a daughter of a farmer, a niece of a farmer and a member of my community, I am absolutely disgusted that we would ever try to question farmers on putting money in their pockets. They, like any other business person, have the right to make a profit. They are working hard to make sure there is food on the table. I very much question questioning farmers. We have a program that is not working. At the end of the day, we need to axe the tax. It is on the entire cost of food production, from the input to the consumer. We know it goes along the entire way.
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Mr. Mark Gerretsen (Kingston and the Islands, Lib.)
  • Dec/7/23 1:53:08 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, perhaps I will pick up on where that last question and answer left off. The member was informed that, in committee, committee members were told by grocery chains that the carbon tax would be passed on to consumers, but I would inform those members that this is why we give the rebate to consumers so that they end up benefiting from it, and this is where I will focus my comments today. I am getting pretty tired of debate after debate on the same issue with Conservatives coming forward as though they are somehow here to look out for the little guy and for the people who are struggling. They are nowhere near doing any of that. Everything they do and everything they say is exactly the opposite of that. My colleagues from the NDP bring up an excellent point, which is that Conservatives ran on pricing pollution not just in 2021 under the leadership of Erin O'Toole, but they also ran on it in 2008 under the leadership of Stephen Harper. So a number of Conservatives have actually run on it twice. Then they come into this House and try to suggest—
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The Deputy Speaker
  • Dec/7/23 1:54:35 p.m.
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On a point of order, the hon. member for Brantford—Brant.
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Mr. Larry Brock
  • Dec/7/23 1:54:43 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, we often hear from this member characterizing the entire Conservative team as the team that ran on this. I can say that, personally, I did not. I know that several of my colleagues did not as well—
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The Deputy Speaker
  • Dec/7/23 1:55:02 p.m.
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I appreciate that point of debate, but it is not a point of order. I will also remind the hon. member for Kingston and the Islands that he has five minutes remaining before we have to go to Statements By Members. The hon. member for Kingston and the Islands.
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Mr. Mark Gerretsen
  • Dec/7/23 1:55:15 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, he ran on it in 2021. It is in the platform, and I have the Conservative Party platform right here. If he had a problem with it, he is going to have to direct me to where—
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The Deputy Speaker
  • Dec/7/23 1:55:26 p.m.
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There is a point of order from the hon. member for Brantford—Brant.
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Mr. Larry Brock
  • Dec/7/23 1:55:32 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, the last time I checked, the member for Kingston and the Islands was not part of my election team, my readiness team. Again, he is—
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The Deputy Speaker
  • Dec/7/23 1:55:42 p.m.
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Okay, we are still getting into debate. I would suggest to the hon. member, if we are going to be interrupting one another, he should read pieces out of the Standing Orders so that they are actually points of order. The hon. member for Kingston and the Islands.
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Mr. Mark Gerretsen
  • Dec/7/23 1:55:54 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, the member is operating under good instruction from his whip's desk to keep calling out points of order on me. Congratulations to him. However, in the document, “The True North Strong and Free”, Stephen Harper's plan for Canadians, there is actually reference to pricing pollution in here through the cap-and-trade model that Ontario, Quebec and a number of states in the United States adopted. That member ran in 2021 on Erin O'Toole's plan to price pollution—
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The Deputy Speaker
  • Dec/7/23 1:56:23 p.m.
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There is a point of order from the hon. member for Selkirk—Interlake—Eastman.
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Mr. James Bezan
  • Dec/7/23 1:56:27 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, under Standing Order 18, a member cannot stand in this place and talk disparagingly about other members in this place. I ask that he monitor his language very carefully. Rather than being a disruptive individual in the House and using bully-boy tactics, he actually should be more parliamentarian in his address to the House of Commons.
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The Deputy Speaker
  • Dec/7/23 1:56:46 p.m.
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I appreciate the help. I would also remind people to be very judicious with the words they are using and how they are characterizing other parties in this House of Commons. The hon. member for Kingston and the Islands.
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Mr. Mark Gerretsen
  • Dec/7/23 1:56:58 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, all of the Conservatives ran on that platform. Now, if some of them decided sometime during that election campaign that they chose—
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The Deputy Speaker
  • Dec/7/23 1:57:05 p.m.
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There is another point of order from the hon. member for Prince George—Peace River—Northern Rockies.
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Mr. Bob Zimmer
  • Dec/7/23 1:57:13 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, the member for Kingston and the Islands just threatened this side. I do not know if that is common practice to do that or allowed in the House, but I wish he would retract it and apologize.
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The Deputy Speaker
  • Dec/7/23 1:57:23 p.m.
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I did not hear that part, but I will go back and listen. I would suggest that we are getting close to two o'clock when we have to do Statements By Members, so let us get the hon. member to at least five minutes into his speech. The hon. member for Kingston and the Islands.
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